Posted by Brad @ 4:38 pm on October 22nd 2009



  1. I’ve always been in the illegal camp, but meh I don’t really give a crap anymore. Illegal hasn’t worked all that well, it’s probably time to give legal a chance.

    Comment by Dingle — 10/22/2009 @ 6:46 pm

  2. Let’s let one or two states try it for a several years see what happens…??

    I would like to see it tried for 10-15 years, however, before adopting it more expansively.

    Sometimes it takes a while to see any negative effects.

    Comment by daveg — 10/23/2009 @ 11:54 am

  3. Hmmm, interesting how the “Jewish State” handles the immigration issue:

    ( The special police unit “Oz” has begun a large-scale operation aimed at cracking down on illegal entry to Israel. Over the past three weeks, members of the unit have checked the documents of more than 4,000 workers.

    Of those 4,000, 600 were detained for questioning. Four hundred were arrested after police discovered that they had entered the country illegally.

    The enforcement operation is taking place throughout the country, and is targeting workers employed in all major sectors known to use foreign labor, including the hotel industry, the restaurant industry, and those providing home assistance such as cleaning or home-based care.


    Wow. That is quite a difference. If immigration is always good why would Israel do something “against its interests?”

    Or are the Israeli’s just hateful Xenophobes?

    It is also an interesting difference when considering how many Jewish US citizens support open borders in the US.

    I wonder why that is?

    Comment by daveg — 10/23/2009 @ 12:16 pm

  4. That graph kinda looks like a joint.

    Comment by Rojas — 10/23/2009 @ 2:39 pm

  5. Let’s let one or two states try it for a several years see what happens…??

    I would like to see it tried for 10-15 years, however, before adopting it more expansively.

    Sometimes it takes a while to see any negative effects.

    Agreed. However, that’s precisely where the anti-drug forces are most vehement, and why medical marijuana such a promising line of attack. Remember, fourteen states have already passed medical marijuana laws, and about that many have decriminalized or massively ratcheted back punishments for possession of small amounts. However, the federal government refuses to recognize those laws. In many cases (California most notably), it simply throws the jurisdiction of drug busts from state to federal (the Bush administration made this an explicit priority), which is why the recent announcement from Obama’s DOJ that it is no longer interested in busting people who are in compliance with their state laws is such a huge leap forward. In any case, we do not really have a states rights doctrine in America anymore. If we did, marijuana would already be legal in about a third of the country. But instead we have to take baby steps which leads to normalization before legalization, kind of an obnoxious endrun if you ask me, but there isn’t much choice at this point either. So, as in California, there are already thousands of ostensibly legal marijuana dispensaries, the federal government has announced it will be turning a blind eye, and in 10 or 15 years they’ll be like 711s.

    Comment by Brad — 10/23/2009 @ 3:54 pm

  6. Meanwhile…

    According to a split decision by the Minnesota Supreme Court, a person in possession of more than 25 grams of bong water that contains a controlled substance can be prosecuted for a first-degree drug crime.

    While most people wouldn’t consider bong water to be a legitimate drug, a narcotics officer testified that users will sometimes save the bong water and drink it later. We just puked a little.[…]

    Actually, the point from the state’s perspective is to probably harass people when they can’t find drugs. No actual pot lying around- guess what, we just made up a new drug! JACKPOT! Plus, who knows what property they will get to seize and use for their own purposes, and in the paperwork at the end of the year, it won’t have an asterisk next to the list of convictions that says “Sure, it was a first-degree drug crime conviction, but it was f-ing bong water.”

    This is the stupidest country in the world. Bring on President Palin. We deserve her.

    Comment by Brad — 10/23/2009 @ 3:56 pm

  7. I spent about one half of my military career doing counter-narcotics, From chasing little boats around the Caribbean to developing national strategy and legislation, I worked it at all levels, and it turned me into a complete legalization proponent. Marijuana is less dangerous than alcohol. We don’t need to let a few states legalize it to see what would happen, because we have whole countries that have already run the experiment for us. Few things get my blood burning more than our War on (certain groups of people who use some kinds of) Drugs. It is an extraordinary waste of our resources, it drives an entire class of organized crime, it fuels multiple international crisis, it endangers our citizens, it militarizes our police, and it dramatically infringes on the civil liberties of our citizens.

    Comment by Jack — 10/23/2009 @ 10:01 pm

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