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		<title>By: thimbles</title>
		<link>http://thecrossedpond.com/2009/04/11/this-is-where-i-get-off-the-train/comment-page-2/#comment-21188</link>
		<dc:creator>thimbles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know about anyone else but I find the phenomenon of &quot;right&quot;eous outrage fascinating. 

I mean for 8 long years it was Clinton this, China that, murder murder how many must the Clintons murder, FISA is unaccountable, SATANized communist medicine, blow jobs are the end of the republic, etc etc etc... Eight long years of paranoiac outrage. 
Then for eight long years it was, don&#039;t you dare question the government or the generals who speak for them in uniform, everything must be secret including the people we secretly wiretap/torture/and murder, actual government propaganda as news is not news, war war war, the justice department should carry out political persecutions, etc etc etc... To this day, not a lot of real outrage about the conduct of that era. Disgust, yes. Outrage? It&#039;s been muted, marginalized, decentralized, characterized as the whinings of anti-american hippies.
2 months into the new democratic presidency? We&#039;re 
back to raving paranoia and anxiety about government expansion.
Never mind that it&#039;s possible that government expansion is required to clean up the sewage left behind by that last &quot;Churchillian&quot; president no one but hippies complained about until he let a city drown in shit.
No, the unreasoned outrage machine picked up right where it left off 8 years ago when Clinton was Hitler. Funny thing about that well polished outrage machine, it was paid for by rich assholes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkansas_Project
who employ people to lie and hyperbolize all the time. Dittoheads pick up on those lies and make them their own. The mainstream picks up on the lies, which have suddenly become news because of the dittohead protests, and reports them as news.

Aren&#039;t people getting sick of outrage machines?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about anyone else but I find the phenomenon of &#8220;right&#8221;eous outrage fascinating. </p>
<p>I mean for 8 long years it was Clinton this, China that, murder murder how many must the Clintons murder, FISA is unaccountable, SATANized communist medicine, blow jobs are the end of the republic, etc etc etc&#8230; Eight long years of paranoiac outrage.<br />
Then for eight long years it was, don&#8217;t you dare question the government or the generals who speak for them in uniform, everything must be secret including the people we secretly wiretap/torture/and murder, actual government propaganda as news is not news, war war war, the justice department should carry out political persecutions, etc etc etc&#8230; To this day, not a lot of real outrage about the conduct of that era. Disgust, yes. Outrage? It&#8217;s been muted, marginalized, decentralized, characterized as the whinings of anti-american hippies.<br />
2 months into the new democratic presidency? We&#8217;re<br />
back to raving paranoia and anxiety about government expansion.<br />
Never mind that it&#8217;s possible that government expansion is required to clean up the sewage left behind by that last &#8220;Churchillian&#8221; president no one but hippies complained about until he let a city drown in shit.<br />
No, the unreasoned outrage machine picked up right where it left off 8 years ago when Clinton was Hitler. Funny thing about that well polished outrage machine, it was paid for by rich assholes<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkansas_Project" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkansas_Project</a><br />
who employ people to lie and hyperbolize all the time. Dittoheads pick up on those lies and make them their own. The mainstream picks up on the lies, which have suddenly become news because of the dittohead protests, and reports them as news.</p>
<p>Aren&#8217;t people getting sick of outrage machines?</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad 50: Duly noted.</description>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://thecrossedpond.com/2009/04/11/this-is-where-i-get-off-the-train/comment-page-1/#comment-21183</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 05:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura, just for the record, don&#039;t take this discussion as a referendum on you.  Far from it; I think this topic has been boiling for awhile now (see my posts on Glenn Beck), and Rojas&#039; post just seems to be a jumping off point for having that discussion.  I know and trust your motives on all this stuff, and as far as I&#039;m concerned they could not be purer and I don&#039;t think anybody&#039;s suggested otherwise.  You, personally, are really pretty incidental to the whole thing :).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura, just for the record, don&#8217;t take this discussion as a referendum on you.  Far from it; I think this topic has been boiling for awhile now (see my posts on Glenn Beck), and Rojas&#8217; post just seems to be a jumping off point for having that discussion.  I know and trust your motives on all this stuff, and as far as I&#8217;m concerned they could not be purer and I don&#8217;t think anybody&#8217;s suggested otherwise.  You, personally, are really pretty incidental to the whole thing :).</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 03:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is like watching the end of Ironman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is like watching the end of Ironman.</p>
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		<title>By: Mortexai</title>
		<link>http://thecrossedpond.com/2009/04/11/this-is-where-i-get-off-the-train/comment-page-1/#comment-21171</link>
		<dc:creator>Mortexai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 03:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep dodging arguments James, it&#039;s what you do best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep dodging arguments James, it&#8217;s what you do best.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 03:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing, James :).  Rojas 45--no problems here.  It takes much more than this to hurt my feelings.  My point would simply be this--perhaps our readership is different (not that RSE&#039;s readership is a bunch of nuts) and what seems worthy of post and reasoned discussion at one site is viewed as outlandish at another.  I just wish that some of the other folks who seemed to think it was so outrageous would have commented on our site, as well--it might have engaged those who read RSE in a productive discussion, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing, James :).  Rojas 45&#8211;no problems here.  It takes much more than this to hurt my feelings.  My point would simply be this&#8211;perhaps our readership is different (not that RSE&#8217;s readership is a bunch of nuts) and what seems worthy of post and reasoned discussion at one site is viewed as outlandish at another.  I just wish that some of the other folks who seemed to think it was so outrageous would have commented on our site, as well&#8211;it might have engaged those who read RSE in a productive discussion, too.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 03:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THE END</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THE END</p>
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		<title>By: Rojas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rojas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 02:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura, I don&#039;t think I could have been any clearer in pointing out that you are not a radical loon.  Nor do I feel any degree of disrespect for RSE; I think I&#039;ve been plain about that from the outset.

We are partners in a common movement which includes a broad network of bloggers and other media commentators.  Within the context of that movement, discussion of tactics should not be seen as an attack.

There are a number of commenters here who are not on board with the Paul movement in particular or the movement towards limited government generally.  These are the sort of people we need to be reaching out to if we want to broaden the base of our effort.  Some are more persuadable than others.  You&#039;re hearing from them, in this thread, what they think of that video.  Don&#039;t you think that this is information we can use?

I do feel bad about the fact that your feelings were hurt by my cross-post on this matter, but I can&#039;t really apologize.  I have always assumed that we have blogs in order to proffer our ideas for discussion.  The idea you proffered was interesting to me, so I discussed it here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura, I don&#8217;t think I could have been any clearer in pointing out that you are not a radical loon.  Nor do I feel any degree of disrespect for RSE; I think I&#8217;ve been plain about that from the outset.</p>
<p>We are partners in a common movement which includes a broad network of bloggers and other media commentators.  Within the context of that movement, discussion of tactics should not be seen as an attack.</p>
<p>There are a number of commenters here who are not on board with the Paul movement in particular or the movement towards limited government generally.  These are the sort of people we need to be reaching out to if we want to broaden the base of our effort.  Some are more persuadable than others.  You&#8217;re hearing from them, in this thread, what they think of that video.  Don&#8217;t you think that this is information we can use?</p>
<p>I do feel bad about the fact that your feelings were hurt by my cross-post on this matter, but I can&#8217;t really apologize.  I have always assumed that we have blogs in order to proffer our ideas for discussion.  The idea you proffered was interesting to me, so I discussed it here.</p>
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		<title>By: Mortexai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mortexai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 02:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Irony is lost on the ironheaded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irony is lost on the ironheaded.</p>
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		<title>By: Rojas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rojas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 02:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I didn’t see it as an attempt to say that he is a carbon copy of Adolf Hitler. That interpretation is simply overwrought. This little video must have really stepped on a nerve to have caused such an extreme reaction. It is as if it were a Rohrschach ink blot test that reveals a hidden adherence to the dominant liberal/leftist culture in the beholder.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The title of the video is &quot;Obama&#039;s Hitler Youth&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I didn’t see it as an attempt to say that he is a carbon copy of Adolf Hitler. That interpretation is simply overwrought. This little video must have really stepped on a nerve to have caused such an extreme reaction. It is as if it were a Rohrschach ink blot test that reveals a hidden adherence to the dominant liberal/leftist culture in the beholder.</p></blockquote>
<p>The title of the video is &#8220;Obama&#8217;s Hitler Youth&#8221;.</p>
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