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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://thecrossedpond.com/2008/07/05/the-death-of-gallium/comment-page-1/#comment-12382</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 05:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given that Indium is primarily used (now) for LED, LCD, and LD displays, I think it&#039;s pretty reasonable to assume that usage has jumped dramatically from 2004 to 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that Indium is primarily used (now) for LED, LCD, and LD displays, I think it&#8217;s pretty reasonable to assume that usage has jumped dramatically from 2004 to 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerrod</title>
		<link>http://thecrossedpond.com/2008/07/05/the-death-of-gallium/comment-page-1/#comment-12379</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 04:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2004/1300/

USGS has information on consumption and production and lifecycle of materials.  That report suggests enough Indium for &quot;several decades.&quot;  Not sure what the source of discrepancy is.  Perhaps the shorter timelines are due to extrapolations of expectations in increased consumption whereas the US numbers are based on current consumption?  Just a guess.</description>
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<p>USGS has information on consumption and production and lifecycle of materials.  That report suggests enough Indium for &#8220;several decades.&#8221;  Not sure what the source of discrepancy is.  Perhaps the shorter timelines are due to extrapolations of expectations in increased consumption whereas the US numbers are based on current consumption?  Just a guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerrod</title>
		<link>http://thecrossedpond.com/2008/07/05/the-death-of-gallium/comment-page-1/#comment-12367</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 00:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sconnor, that was actually quite a while ago, that NS article.  I remember that issue well and tried to find the graphic they used showing the number of elements and minerals that are in short supply.  Thanks for the link. 

Here is that graphic. 

http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/archive/2605/26051202.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sconnor, that was actually quite a while ago, that NS article.  I remember that issue well and tried to find the graphic they used showing the number of elements and minerals that are in short supply.  Thanks for the link. </p>
<p>Here is that graphic. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/archive/2605/26051202.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/archive/2605/26051202.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://thecrossedpond.com/2008/07/05/the-death-of-gallium/comment-page-1/#comment-12352</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 19:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, I didn&#039;t realize what a bunch of futurists you lot all are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, I didn&#8217;t realize what a bunch of futurists you lot all are.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron</title>
		<link>http://thecrossedpond.com/2008/07/05/the-death-of-gallium/comment-page-1/#comment-12348</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 19:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding your link Jerrod, I cannot disagree more.  It sounds like the essential complaint is one of increasing complexity and global integration.  The question that begs to be asked is why now?  Our entire history has been one of increasing integration, increasing complexity, increasing connections, increasing trade and a shrinking world.  The doom and gloom predictions that have been thrown about since time eternal always assume that our current predicament is unique and that this time progress really can&#039;t be sustained.

The concept of diminishing returns seems to the be gist of the entire article.  I&#039;m puzzled by this argument.  If anything we&#039;ve had exponentially increasing returns for an hour labor.  She says, &quot;The extra food produced by each extra hour of labour -- or joule of energy invested per farmed hectare -- diminishes as that investment mounts.&quot;

Is it really denied that our economy is far more energy (specifically oil) efficient than it was during the 70s?  Do you really think that each extra hour of labor is worth less today than it was in the 50s?  We&#039;ve been living in an age of skyrocketing productivity, not diminishing returns.

The worry about increasing connectivity is laughable.  Since we began congregating in cities in ancient Iraq, we&#039;ve been increasing connectivity.  Everytime there is a need to purchase something that you yourself didn&#039;t produce from scratch you&#039;re living in a world of connections.  As our economies have grown and we&#039;ve prospered the level of connectivity has increased a million fold, but again, I ask why now?  

Is our current age of interconnectivity much different than the explosion of connections during the industrial revolution?  Why are we special here in the 21st century to warrant civilization ending collapse?

We&#039;ve been integrating at various levels throughout human history.  Originally it was low level integrations such as buying a pair of assembled shoes from a skilled craftsman down the street in a village.  Then we bought watches from a highly specialized worker from a large shop all the way across the city.  We then started to buy imported animal furs from across our country.  Then there was a need for minerals brought all of the way across the continent.  How is it any different or worse today to buy some cotton from Brazil, ship it to Indonesia on a ship built in Denmark, assemble a shirt with machines designed in Seoul but built in Taiwan and fly it to Denver on a plane designed in Seattle and built in over 20 countries?

It&#039;s the brilliance of humans, of capitalism.  And friend, it&#039;s our entire essence as humanity.  It&#039;s our history and our future, to a degree unimaginable today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding your link Jerrod, I cannot disagree more.  It sounds like the essential complaint is one of increasing complexity and global integration.  The question that begs to be asked is why now?  Our entire history has been one of increasing integration, increasing complexity, increasing connections, increasing trade and a shrinking world.  The doom and gloom predictions that have been thrown about since time eternal always assume that our current predicament is unique and that this time progress really can&#8217;t be sustained.</p>
<p>The concept of diminishing returns seems to the be gist of the entire article.  I&#8217;m puzzled by this argument.  If anything we&#8217;ve had exponentially increasing returns for an hour labor.  She says, &#8220;The extra food produced by each extra hour of labour &#8212; or joule of energy invested per farmed hectare &#8212; diminishes as that investment mounts.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is it really denied that our economy is far more energy (specifically oil) efficient than it was during the 70s?  Do you really think that each extra hour of labor is worth less today than it was in the 50s?  We&#8217;ve been living in an age of skyrocketing productivity, not diminishing returns.</p>
<p>The worry about increasing connectivity is laughable.  Since we began congregating in cities in ancient Iraq, we&#8217;ve been increasing connectivity.  Everytime there is a need to purchase something that you yourself didn&#8217;t produce from scratch you&#8217;re living in a world of connections.  As our economies have grown and we&#8217;ve prospered the level of connectivity has increased a million fold, but again, I ask why now?  </p>
<p>Is our current age of interconnectivity much different than the explosion of connections during the industrial revolution?  Why are we special here in the 21st century to warrant civilization ending collapse?</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve been integrating at various levels throughout human history.  Originally it was low level integrations such as buying a pair of assembled shoes from a skilled craftsman down the street in a village.  Then we bought watches from a highly specialized worker from a large shop all the way across the city.  We then started to buy imported animal furs from across our country.  Then there was a need for minerals brought all of the way across the continent.  How is it any different or worse today to buy some cotton from Brazil, ship it to Indonesia on a ship built in Denmark, assemble a shirt with machines designed in Seoul but built in Taiwan and fly it to Denver on a plane designed in Seattle and built in over 20 countries?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the brilliance of humans, of capitalism.  And friend, it&#8217;s our entire essence as humanity.  It&#8217;s our history and our future, to a degree unimaginable today.</p>
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		<title>By: sconnor</title>
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		<dc:creator>sconnor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 17:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Armin Reller was referred to a couple months ago in this New Scientist article on the same subject.

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg19426051.200</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Armin Reller was referred to a couple months ago in this New Scientist article on the same subject.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg19426051.200" rel="nofollow">http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg19426051.200</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jerrod</title>
		<link>http://thecrossedpond.com/2008/07/05/the-death-of-gallium/comment-page-1/#comment-12344</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, civilization (at least one predicated on a growth model) WILL collapse.

http://tinyurl.com/5nlqad

And I&#039;m not just being hysterical here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, civilization (at least one predicated on a growth model) WILL collapse.</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/5nlqad" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/5nlqad</a></p>
<p>And I&#8217;m not just being hysterical here.</p>
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		<title>By: Rojas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rojas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 07:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know what policy proposal would alleviate the shortages of gallium and hafnium without bringing on precisely the economic problems that it seeks to avoid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what policy proposal would alleviate the shortages of gallium and hafnium without bringing on precisely the economic problems that it seeks to avoid.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerrod</title>
		<link>http://thecrossedpond.com/2008/07/05/the-death-of-gallium/comment-page-1/#comment-12342</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 04:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m impressed by the commitment to willful ignorance masquerading as optimism exhibited by humanity as a whole and exemplified in this thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m impressed by the commitment to willful ignorance masquerading as optimism exhibited by humanity as a whole and exemplified in this thread.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://thecrossedpond.com/2008/07/05/the-death-of-gallium/comment-page-1/#comment-12341</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 02:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Non-civilization destroying catastrophe does not a non-issue make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Non-civilization destroying catastrophe does not a non-issue make.</p>
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