Comments on: The Torture Test http://thecrossedpond.com/2007/05/19/the-torture-test/ "A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one." Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:00:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Brad http://thecrossedpond.com/2007/05/19/the-torture-test/comment-page-1/#comment-1789 Brad Sun, 20 May 2007 04:38:57 +0000 http://thecrossedpond.com/?p=582#comment-1789 Rojas nailed the answer. Rojas nailed the answer.

]]> By: weltschmerz http://thecrossedpond.com/2007/05/19/the-torture-test/comment-page-1/#comment-1788 weltschmerz Sun, 20 May 2007 04:07:26 +0000 http://thecrossedpond.com/?p=582#comment-1788 Giuliani says we <i>need</i> things like the Patriot Act, and electronic surveillance...and he'd probably have added "torture" too. http://youtube.com/watch?v=8QCeFoB9KUY Giuliani says we need things like the Patriot Act, and electronic surveillance…and he’d probably have added “torture” too.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8QCeFoB9KUY

]]> By: weltschmerz http://thecrossedpond.com/2007/05/19/the-torture-test/comment-page-1/#comment-1787 weltschmerz Sun, 20 May 2007 03:53:21 +0000 http://thecrossedpond.com/?p=582#comment-1787 Well, for anyone who thought McCain had any shred of consistency or coherence left, watch the <a href="http://msnbc.vo.llnwd.net/e1/video/podcast/pdv_mtp_netcast_m4v-05-13-2007-075354.m4v" rel="nofollow">latest episode</a> of NBC's <i>Meet the Press</i>, in which Tim Russert expertly filets McCain. It's brutal. Russert is a genius. Well, for anyone who thought McCain had any shred of consistency or coherence left, watch the latest episode of NBC’s Meet the Press, in which Tim Russert expertly filets McCain. It’s brutal. Russert is a genius.

]]> By: Rojas http://thecrossedpond.com/2007/05/19/the-torture-test/comment-page-1/#comment-1786 Rojas Sun, 20 May 2007 03:53:00 +0000 http://thecrossedpond.com/?p=582#comment-1786 VIII: Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. Bear in mind that a number of those who are tortured are American citizens, and hence protected by the eighth amendment against torture by ANY agent of the government. Additionally, the Presidential Oath of Office requires the President to uphold all of the laws of the land. That would include the treaties to which we are signatories, Geneva included. VIII: Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Bear in mind that a number of those who are tortured are American citizens, and hence protected by the eighth amendment against torture by ANY agent of the government.

Additionally, the Presidential Oath of Office requires the President to uphold all of the laws of the land. That would include the treaties to which we are signatories, Geneva included.

]]> By: Talarohk http://thecrossedpond.com/2007/05/19/the-torture-test/comment-page-1/#comment-1785 Talarohk Sun, 20 May 2007 03:40:22 +0000 http://thecrossedpond.com/?p=582#comment-1785 I agree with you 100% on this issue, Brad. I do have one question, which is probably reflective of my ignorance, though: how exactly does torture used by the military violate the Constitution? I was under the impression that cruel and unusual punishment applied to domestic law enforcement. Don't get me wrong, I find it to be morally disgusting and likely counterproductive to any theoretical objective, but I don't see where it is inherently unconstitutional. I agree with you 100% on this issue, Brad. I do have one question, which is probably reflective of my ignorance, though: how exactly does torture used by the military violate the Constitution? I was under the impression that cruel and unusual punishment applied to domestic law enforcement.

Don’t get me wrong, I find it to be morally disgusting and likely counterproductive to any theoretical objective, but I don’t see where it is inherently unconstitutional.

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